I have the 11th off for Veterans Day, so its a 3 day weekend. You have a dirt road you want to hit?

im not alan - but that sounds interesting

That might just work. It's a week after SEMA and I don't currently have plans that weekend. Let me do some research, but I like where you're head's at!

Sublime Point would be doable.

that's EXACTLY what I am thinking. There are some amazing other features just North of there.

Pin it in your Calendar and I'll pin it in mine, work up details this weekend, then post in the Up and Coming section.

let's do it!

wheres sublime point?

offroadaz wrote:wheres sublime point?

North rim down a dirt road. It will cold as all get out in Nov but it should still be amazing.
Its about 4-5 hours from phx

fatbob309 wrote:North rim down a dirt road. It will cold as all get out in Nov but it should still be amazing.
Its about 4-5 hours from phx

gotcha - ill see if i can run this one - maybe first official trip in the TJ

camping out the weekend?

Yes

Ok. Bob and I talked Saturday and here's our rough plan. Input welcome.

Leave Friday morning for Point Sublime (Grand Canyon north rim). It's a six hour drive up there. Camp Friday night at the rim, see sunset and sunrise, etc... We plan on camping, cold weather camping. Photos HERE.

Sometimes Saturday, once we're Grand Canyon'ed out, head back to Vermillion Cliffs National Monument (we'll drive past the national park on our way to Point Sublime). I'm doing some research on where we can go and what type of passes we'll need, but it's pretty bad ass judging from the photos if we can get to the right place. Camp in the Vermillion Cliffs National Monument park Saturday night. Photos HERE. Vermillion Cliffs map HERE. Coyote Buttes North (The Wave) is a hike, but worth it.

Explore a bit Sunday morning, then come home by mid-afternoon.

That's our working plan. Again, input welcome, but it'll be a fun trip with some cold camping, but not too hard on vehicles.

THE BACKUP PLAN - if weather or something like a park closing holds us up - is to do Mohave Trail again over the Fri/Sat/Sun.

I have room for up 1 other in my vehicle if someone wants to go but not drive. We'll have to work out sleeping, since I don't think I can sleep two in my rig with all the gear. I'm car camping if it's cold. Open sky camping if it's not too bad.

Quick update to above: Neither Friday or Saturday are available for permit for the Vermillion Cliffs national park to go to the Wave, but Sunday is open for the West Entrance, so we may explore Saturday, camp outside the park, then hit the wave on Sunday before coming home. Just FYI.

I'll put in for the day off, but as for now Chelcee and are are in

Avis wrote:I'll put in for the day off, but as for now Chelcee and are are in

Worse case scenario, come up Saturday.

whats the trail like? im guessing just forest road dirt?

offroadaz wrote:whats the trail like? im guessing just forest road dirt?

Yes, primarily forest dirt road. Here is a decent article. I used Google to find it.

https://www.arizonahighways.com/explore/scenic-drives/point-sublime

Also, here is the original "Top 10 Dirt Roads" list. Point Sublime is #10 on the list for more info.

http://www.adventureparents.com/photo-galleries-adventure-outdoors-family/196-9-awesome-dirt-roads-of-the-american-west-you-should-drive#!point_sublime_006

"Catching a divine view of the Grand Canyon typically includes sharing the moment with a crowd, which can really dull the effect, brotherly love aside. At the North Rim the crowd is much less dense. However if you're up for it, and have low range, some clearance on your 4WD, and are handy with a map you can drive a 19-mile Jeep trail along the edge of the North Rim of the Grand Canyon to get a wicked viewpoint all to yourself. This is a true backcountry vista with no guard rails and no services whatsoever. Point Sublime reveals a 150-mile panorama of canyon view from east to west and has hosted the likes of Ansel Adams and explorers as early as the mid 1800s. You'll pay your dues getting here, though. The road is long and rough, and it's not uncommon for trees to fall and block the road in windy conditions. Speaking of windy, the point itself has its share. You can camp here, and there are a few campsites with tables about 50 yards from the edge of the canyon within the protection of trees. To do it proper, you need a backcountry permit from the backcountry office. Or you can do this out-and-back in a day, but the sun lights up this vantage point the best at sunset."

I'd be impressed as hell if you manage to get one Wave permit with their strict lottery system. The Vermillion permit doesn't cover it. That's why we just did Wire Pass into Buckskin Gulch.
My bucket list is doing the complete Buckskin-Paria.

offroadaz wrote:whats the trail like? im guessing just forest road dirt?

Dirt with a sweeeeet jump at the end.

fatbob309 wrote:Dirt with a sweeeeet jump at the end.

LOL.

Mike - I know the Wave permit may not happen at all. Don Lawrence was talking about how hard it was. That being said, I'm just looking for fun things up there. Any suggestions are welcome. If we don't want to do Vermillion (or can't), then it's not a 3 day trip. Either way, I'm fine, but it'll be fun to try.

im tentative - need to get the jeep running