Ok. You stumped me. Not that it was a hard thing to do... I'm not much into antique guns unless they are made by Colt or are US made and associated with some U.S. battle.

This is probably not a US made gun. The double set triggers and unique stock tells me it's of a German decent. That odd shaped cheek rest is a Bavarian design. The stock pad cut is known as a Hog Back. It's obviously old, based on the patina on the metal. Hard to say what age but probably somewhere between 1900 and 1950. Broad, I know but the picture is hard to see.

If I had to guess, this is a 1930-40's German break barrel rifle. The barrel and action is too thin to be a shotgun. Even though it has iron sights, I can see mounting points for scope rings. The scope mounts locations are probably recessed, as it is typical of European firearms. It's probably a war trophy from returning soldiers after the fall of Adolf Hitler. It's definitely a German gun.

Since I'm in the belief that this is a European rifle, the caliber is going to be in metric. Not that it matters since I can't tell what caliber it is, nor can I identify the manufacturer to see what calibers this rifle ever came in.

Either way, I'm stumped. Good find.

Unknown: Manufacturer
Unknown: Caliber
Unknown: Everything! :)

You got me!

Skatchkins wrote:

Well I had to throw something tougher in there for a change :)

Actually it's a single barrel with a double set trigger which was pretty common. That trigger can be set to as low as 2 ounces for target shooting. It has about a 2 lb. trigger pull if the set trigger isn't engaged. CZ makes a similar setup today but with only one trigger for both operations. But the exact gun maker was a single family. From what I've been able to find out that family picked up a name for their rifles based on the region where they lived. That region was the Suhl region of Germany. The family that made the rifle was Emil Kerner u. Sohn.
This was a rifle made to a common pattern that shared a lot of parts like the double set trigger and the octagon barrel.
It had a break action with German claw scope mounts along with iron sights.

The finger rest also served as the release lever for the break action. Lots of similar rifles were made as either competition rifles in what was called (and still is) German Schuetzen competitions. It is probably the oldest form of firearm competition in fact. It started in the German military dating back to the 14th century or so I read. It became popular among the public in the 1840's. Lots of really nice rifles were made for that competition that shared many of these characteristics. They also had a cheek weld BTW. The competition was at 200 yards and it was shot off hand (no rest of any kind) and with no bolt action rifles. But those rifles generally had stocks that butted up against he arm instead of the shoulder. Those are the stocks that curve at the butt end instead of being cut off pretty much straight.

Most of the rifles with these characteristics were also used in what was called stalking rifles which were rifles for hunting small game up to larger game depending on the caliber. Calibers ranged from around a .22 to stuff similar to the Mauser rounds used in both world wars. This particular rifle is supposed to use .22 Hornet cartridges according to the owner. I'm storing it for him for the winter while he travels around Florida. I have a safe to keep it in and he wanted me to do research in order to try to sell it. They aren't cheap rifles by any means. Some of the models made for royalty were off the charts in value but even the far less ornate models like this one were generally in the $3000 to $10,000 range. Some go as high as $20,000. The super ornate rifles with engraved metal work and wood sell for around $50,000. I wouldn't sell this one for less than $5000.

The thing is exact records for these rifles are impossible to find. They were blown up in WWII along with everything else in Germany. This rifle survived in the German heritage areas of Cincinnati Ohio where Schuetzen competitions were very popular until the wars made anti-German sentiment high in the region. But the competition is making a comeback and the rifles are popping up here and there.

That's a nicely built Vepr 54R (based on the size of the magazine)
5-rnd magazine
Krebs Custom Vepr Rifle Buttstock Adapter
ATI Scorpion Recoil Pistol grip
ITT/Endine Hydraulic buffer tube
CAR retractable stock with raised cheek rest
SMG Tactical railed forend w/ rail top

Unknown: Scope + Mount (aimpoint clone, maybe)
Unknown: Muzzlebreak

Skatchkins wrote:

4964

That's a pretty standard FNH USA Scar 16S battle rifle in Flat Dark Earth.

It's accessorized with a Magpul MOE RVG vertical grip and 30rnd Pmag. Sight is an Aimpoint Micro H-1 on an "unknown" riser. Can't quite see through the shadow and black background. The front sight is standard, and although the rear sight is a Magpul MBUS Gen 2, it's also standard on that rifle.

I've never seen Red, White, or Blue picatinny rail covers. Those are unique, and I don't know who makes them. Kind of a cool personalization.

Skatchkins wrote:

Ooh... that is one toy that I would like!

That's a Roni Glock Pistol Carbine conversion, made by CAA. It allows you to slip in your standard Glock handgun into a short barrel rifle, like a PDW. WARNING: If you purchase this and install it onto a standard Glock, you will be violating Federal Law. You MUST first register your pistol as a "Short Barrel Rifle", before purchasing the conversion.

The conversion is now available for other handguns, as well. See link below:

http://www.caatactical.com/viewCategory.asp?catID=376

All the accessories you see are from CAA.

offroadaz wrote:4964

dang I thought that one would be hard for you lol

2ndchance wrote:Ooh... that is one toy that I would like!

That's a Roni Glock Pistol Carbine conversion, made by CAA. It allows you to slip in your standard Glock handgun into a short barrel rifle, like a PDW. WARNING: If you purchase this and install it onto a standard Glock, you will be violating Federal Law. You MUST first register your pistol as a "Short Barrel Rifle", before purchasing the conversion.

The conversion is now available for other handguns, as well. See link below:

http://www.caatactical.com/viewCategory.asp?catID=376



All the accessories you see are from CAA.

^^^
Awesome

TMP 9mm?

That's an HK MP5K-PDW, which has a side folding stock and a forward grip. Attached is two 30rnd magazines with a magazine clamp. The barrel has a 3-lug pattern designed for a quick twist-lock accessory, flash hider or suppressor. This HK sports a 3-position "Navy" burst pack with Safe, Semi, and Full Auto.

Suppressor is a GemTech Mk-9K 9mm.

Scope is an Aimpoint Micro T-1 on an Aimpoint Low Profile MP5 mount.

My brother owns Bellator Arms, which makes the HK clone of the SP89. It's consider a pistol and can be purchased like any other pistol. Well, we took it out and installed his full auto trigger pack and added the folding stock and forward grip, and that makes it a MP5K-PDW clone. :) Here's a quick video of one of our firing tests.

http://youtu.be/QNaArB65ii8

Skatchkins wrote:^^^
Awesome

4972

I had a sugar momma, I'd make here buy me THIS!

It's a KelTec RFB. RFB stands for "Rifle, Forward-Ejecting Bullpup". The caliber is .308win and it's damn sexy! It uses readily available (and cheap) FN-FAL magazine and is available in 5, 10, and 20rnd magazines. I have not seen any quality magazines that exceed 20rnds. Note that this is a forward ejecting rifle, similar to the FNH FS2000. That makes this bullpup left-hand friendly. This is important because i'm a lefty! :)

The compact scope is a Nightforce 1-4x24 NXS with a speed focus knob.
Suppressor is an Advanced Armament 762-SDN-6 with a quick attachment AAC 51T ratchet mount flash hider.
Bipod is probably a Harris. I doubt if they would skimp and buy a Harris knockoff.
Backup sights are made by Yankee Hill.
They installed a factory quad-rail and riser to the barrel, so they can mount the front sight.

This rifle comes in two version, a Hunter model with a 24" barrel and an overall length of 31" and their Carbine model with an 18" barrel and an overall length of 26", which makes in a non NFA firearm and legal for civilians to buy it without BATFE registration.

Who is this handsome fellow with the big Popeye arms?? Looks like a legit Zombie Slayer. Mike, photoshop Bob's face on him. :)

Unknown: Scope mount.

Skatchkins wrote:4972

Cool description :)

Another KelTec? This is the SUB-2000 carbine. Makes for a nice backpack rifle because it folds in half. The hooded front sight locks to the rear of the stock. It takes Glock magazines. It comes in 9mm or 40SW and you can get 33rnd 9mm magazines and 31rnd 40SW magazines.

This one is tricked out with an Micro red dot on a quick release rail base. Can't say it's an Aimpoint or a knockoff. The forend is made by Red Lion Precision and customizable by adding rails on the top, bottom, left, and right. This model has a Magpul AFG (angled forward grip). The barrel has an upgraded front sight and flash hider/compensator that is also from Red Lion Precision. The barrel is not threaded, so the flash hider/compensator is sandwiched to the barrel, via the upgraded front sight system.

The stock is not "stock", either. There is a custom custom charging handle and soft stock cover made by Tacticool Products. They also make a recoil buffer add-on. Chances are, this also has it. Why not?!?

Lastly, the green Laser/Light is a Veridian X5L-RS (rifle rail mount) with pressure switch.

To most, this is ONE UGLY ghetto looking rifle. To me, it's a functional carbine that packs away well and, in 40SW, packs a punch! These were pretty sweet when they first came out and could be purchased for under $400.


Unknown: Dot scope and mount (bad angle)
Unknown: Sling (bad angle)

Skatchkins wrote:Cool description :)

Just in case any of you are shopping for the accessories / guns listed on this thread, I will start adding links to the products I identify. I'm backtracking some of the posts to update it with links. Happy shopping! Spend wisely!

4974

That's easy. It's a Swiss Army AR! It shoots corkscrews!

offroadaz wrote:4974