Always one for "out there" thought, I found this interesting. Science/Math is suggesting that Parallel Universe's are mathematically possbile (I know I was a cool kid somewhere!) The movie "Sliding Doors" explores this really well, as does the book "the cat who walks through walls" by Heinlein.

Here is the article: http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=paUniverse_sun14_parallel_universes&show_article=1&cat=0

Here is a link to "the cat who walks through walls"

IMDB didn't have a good write up on "Sliding Doors", but I liked it.

I can see how people would think that is possible but I dont really know if it has any Biblical refference

I think that for the most part our lives are already planned out and we are going to do what God wants us to do

the whole alternate universe, based on different choices we make seems to go against that

for example, in universe A I am a Christian and in universe B I am not, how would that work since we only have 1 soul?

offroadaz wrote:I can see how people would think that is possible but I dont really know if it has any Biblical refference...

for example, in universe A I am a Christian and in universe B I am not, how would that work since we only have 1 soul?

If it was universe A and B then what is to say that you are not two people with two souls?

In Everett's "many worlds" universe, every time a new physical possibility is explored, the universe splits. Given a number of possible alternative outcomes, each one is played out - in its own universe.

A motorist who has a near miss, for instance, might feel relieved at his lucky escape. But in a parallel universe, another version of the same driver will have been killed. Yet another universe will see the motorist recover after treatment in hospital. The number of alternative scenarios is endless.

If you were one person and were killed in Universe A you would die in Universe B... You would have to be more than one person...

offroadaz wrote:I think that for the most part our lives are already planned out and we are going to do what God wants us to do...

If you believe that man is limited in his free will I can see where that would be a problem. If you are of the mindset that God knows our actions before we do them but allows us the free will, it could work.

fatbob309 wrote:If it was universe A and B then what is to say that you are not two people with two souls?

I thought that for each action we do or dont do they say a an alternate universe is created

So up until this very point, the next universe has yet to be created, meaning it didnt exist yet. How could a new soul be created in that universe if the whole existence of that universe is based of an action I did in this one?

offroadaz wrote:I thought that for each action we do or dont do they say a an alternate universe is created

So up until this very point, the next universe has yet to be created, meaning it didnt exist yet. How could a new soul be created in that universe if the whole existence of that universe is based of an action I did in this one?

So how do people die in one but not the other? Is it based of the life force of the original person? That couldn't work... Lets say you never have kids in this life but your other person in universe B C & F have kids, Do those people start their own path or do they vanish when the original person dies?

I don't buy into the alternate universe but I do like the idea of it.

fatbob309 wrote:So how do people die in one but not the other? Is it based of the life force of the original person? That couldn't work... Lets say you never have kids in this life but your other person in universe B C & F have kids, Do those people start their own path or do they vanish when the original person dies?

I don't buy into the alternate universe but I do like the idea of it.

They would start there own path once the universe came into existence, creating alternate universes based on the decisions they make as well

But again, I dont think this is possible since we only have 1 soul, and it wouldnt duplicate or transfer to another created universe


As far as God giving us free will. Im leaning more towards a no on that one. I believe we have choice, but ultimately our actions are already determined and planned out for us.

offroadaz wrote:
As far as God giving us free will. Im leaning more towards a no on that one. I believe we have choice, but ultimately our actions are already determined and planned out for us.

I had always thought of it as free will, but God's perspective can see all of time at once, instead of our filter seeing it only in the moment. The classic example typically given for this one is that of a parade. When you are watching it from street level, it seems to be going by you in the moment, when you are watching it from above, you can see the beginning, middle, and end all at the same time as each part is happening.

I 100% believe that we have been blessed with free will and that is part of the origins of the original sin... we (Adam, mankind) chose to disobey. Conversly, we have the choice to repent, believe, and have new life. However, seeing as God is soooooo much bigger and badder than we are, and we can't comprehend Him, I'm not opposed to the concept of Him seeing time from a different perspective from us. (Deja Vu' and other things could be explained by time existing all at once if you consider God's perspective and our mind just filters the moment to make sense of it.) We make our choices of free will and it seems like "at the time" to us, but to God, He sees it all at the same time. Beginning, Middle, and End all at once.

Back to what Bob said, the idea of multiple universes *is* fun to toy with, but I would hardly believe it to be a reality... it's just a fun "what if" game. What if I hadn't had a car wreck when I was 17? I would have gone into the Marine Corp ROTC at Boston University if I hadn't had my wreck which made me medically inelligible. Would I have met my wife (who I met at Memphis State)? Would my kids exist? Would I be in Phoenix right now anyway? Fun stuff, but has nothing to do with reality! :)=)

So, I vote for no parallel universes, but it's really fun to talk about, debate, and wrap your mind around.

I vote for free will, but God already knows what we chose because He has a different perspective on time,

and I also vote for Chris building a really cool tear-drop multi purpose trailer to pull behind his Jeep!!!

alanzona wrote:I had always thought of it as free will, but God's perspective can see all of time at once, instead of our filter seeing it only in the moment. The classic example typically given for this one is that of a parade. When you are watching it from street level, it seems to be going by you in the moment, when you are watching it from above, you can see the beginning, middle, and end all at the same time as each part is happening.

I 100% believe that we have been blessed with free will and that is part of the origins of the original sin... we (Adam, mankind) chose to disobey. Conversly, we have the choice to repent, believe, and have new life. However, seeing as God is soooooo much bigger and badder than we are, and we can't comprehend Him, I'm not opposed to the concept of Him seeing time from a different perspective from us. (Deja Vu' and other things could be explained by time existing all at once if you consider God's perspective and our mind just filters the moment to make sense of it.) We make our choices of free will and it seems like "at the time" to us, but to God, He sees it all at the same time. Beginning, Middle, and End all at once.

What is the difference between choice and free will?

For example, picture a hungry lion in a room.

One one side of the room is a huge salad, with croutons, dressing and lots of fresh vegetables

On the other side of the room is giant pile of raw steak.

The lion has a choice to which one he will pick

But we know he will always pick the raw meat. Does this mean the lion doesn't have free will since he will always chose meat?

No. I don't believe animals have free will in any form. I think the Lord blessed them with insticts and the will to survive, but they were not made in His image with a Soul and freewill. The Lion chooses the meat to live, since he won't survive on the salad (who could! LOL), but that choice and free will are different things. Why do we not eat cell phones, even though we have the choice?

Im not going to touch this free will thing with a 10ft stick... But God already know that... ;)

fatbob309 wrote:Im not going to touch this free will thing with a 10ft stick... But God already know that... ;)

hey, dude, that's your choice... um I mean free will... um.... oh crap, forget it. :)=)

Wait are we going Donny Darko on this or Steven King's Dark Tower?

Dark Tower had different Universes all connected (kinda like that TV show Sliders).