Ok, so since I'm driving this Jeep Liberty rental... it poses a question.
Would you rather drive a Liberty? or a stock Wrangler with car tires? (not the 29's or 30's but the donut-looking ones)
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Sep 22, 2006 03:44 AM #1
Sep 22, 2006 04:11 AM #2
okay gonna get bashed for this.... but
I kinda like a liberty
I kinda like a liberty
Sep 22, 2006 05:30 AM #3
Woa... I didn't think Megan even knew the name of the site, much less how to log onto Chris's account. :P
A Liberty's just a Rav4 with Jeep badging.
I'll secretly admit that the L some company lifted, modded up and dubbed "The Liberator" does look pretty extreme.
But I have to put it into the class with the glorified minivan in a box, Jeep Commander, and the whatever kind of car the Jeep Compass (see Pontiac Vibe) is supposed to be.
I made my own badging for them:
I wish Jeep wouldn't be so panstasic about pushing their concepts through unlike Toyota and their FJ Cruiser.
How long have I seen diecast models of the Rescue? And I saw a two foot long remote control Gladiator at Walamertos the other day. Way to go just throwing money at designers to sell only scale models of what could have been.
A Liberty's just a Rav4 with Jeep badging.
I'll secretly admit that the L some company lifted, modded up and dubbed "The Liberator" does look pretty extreme.
But I have to put it into the class with the glorified minivan in a box, Jeep Commander, and the whatever kind of car the Jeep Compass (see Pontiac Vibe) is supposed to be.
I made my own badging for them:
I wish Jeep wouldn't be so panstasic about pushing their concepts through unlike Toyota and their FJ Cruiser.
How long have I seen diecast models of the Rescue? And I saw a two foot long remote control Gladiator at Walamertos the other day. Way to go just throwing money at designers to sell only scale models of what could have been.
Sep 28, 2006 12:51 AM #4
My questions is why in the heck is Jeep producing kids toys and remote control cars for vehicles they have no intention of ever puting into production.
I saw a comercial for a fisher price battery powered Hurricane for kids. Why would they produce and try to profit off something that does not exsist.
If you have no intention of producing the vehicle they why pay the designers to build it and why in the heck would you show it at the Detroit auto show. This has happend with several vehicles with Jeep, the Hurricane, Gladiator, and the Rescue.
If your not going to make it they why tease all Jeepers and show them you are an unstable company that is insecure with your products.
I saw a comercial for a fisher price battery powered Hurricane for kids. Why would they produce and try to profit off something that does not exsist.
If you have no intention of producing the vehicle they why pay the designers to build it and why in the heck would you show it at the Detroit auto show. This has happend with several vehicles with Jeep, the Hurricane, Gladiator, and the Rescue.
If your not going to make it they why tease all Jeepers and show them you are an unstable company that is insecure with your products.
Sep 28, 2006 12:54 AM #5
As for Dana's question, I would rather drive a liberty than a stock Jeep. A Liberty blends in and a stock Jeep just looks like crap.
Oct 01, 2006 01:15 AM #6
http://www.toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs...46/-1/BUSINESS
Automaker sets plans for Jeep Gladiator aside
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The concept pickup truck made its debut at the Detroit auto show in January, 2005.
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By JULIE M. McKINNON
BLADE BUSINESS WRITER
Despite raves from fans and dealers, DaimlerChrysler AG has decided not to build the Jeep Gladiator concept, a pickup that seemed like an ideal addition to Toledo Jeep Assembly’s new plant.
Although Chrysler officials deemed the Gladiator wouldn’t be profitable in the near term, the automaker hasn’t scrapped the idea, Chrysler spokesman David Barnas said yesterday.
“You can never say ‘never’ forever,” he said. “For right now, we’re not doing it.”
The Gladiator concept made its debut last year at the North American International Auto Show in Detroit. Its production version was to have a body-on-frame construction like the Jeep Wrangler, the latest version of which began production in July at a $900 million multifactory plant off Stickney Avenue.
Consumers are turning to cars and car-based sport-utility vehicles instead of compact pickups, and that segment is likely where Chrysler wants to concentrate limited financial resources, said Art Spinella, president of CNW Marketing Research Inc. in Bandon, Ore.
“The market for that type of vehicle is really small,” he said.
Mr. Spinella said the Detroit-made Jeep Commander has not sold well, and Chrysler is rethinking the Jeep brand, which is getting two car-based models built in Illinois this year. Still, he said he wishes Chrysler would produce the Gladiator.
Others agreed. Jeep dealers haven’t had a pickup since 1992, when the Toledo-made Comanche ended production, noted Jack Streit, assistant Jeep manager at Yark Automotive Group in Sylvania Township. The dealer is one of the largest nationwide for the Toledo-born brand.
“We are disappointed,” he said. “We did well with that pickup truck.”
Pickups were part of the Jeep lineup for nearly five decades, starting with the Willys in 1947. The original Gladiator was introduced as a 1963 model and was built from the same basic design as the Wagoneer.
A few years ago, Chrysler nixed a pickup version of the last Wrangler that was reminiscent of the Jeep Scrambler made from the mid-1970s to mid-1980s.
Bruce Baumhower, president of United Auto Workers Local 12, said the Gladiator was just one possibility for Toledo Jeep.
“We are constantly looking at additional work, and that’s been in our sights,” he said. “That and others have been in our sights for some time.”
Body-on-frame vehicles are easy to redesign, making the new Wrangler plant an ideal home for police, taxi, or other fleet vehicles too, said Mr. Spinella.
Automaker sets plans for Jeep Gladiator aside
Photo
The concept pickup truck made its debut at the Detroit auto show in January, 2005.
( THE BLADE )
Zoom | Photo Reprints
By JULIE M. McKINNON
BLADE BUSINESS WRITER
Despite raves from fans and dealers, DaimlerChrysler AG has decided not to build the Jeep Gladiator concept, a pickup that seemed like an ideal addition to Toledo Jeep Assembly’s new plant.
Although Chrysler officials deemed the Gladiator wouldn’t be profitable in the near term, the automaker hasn’t scrapped the idea, Chrysler spokesman David Barnas said yesterday.
“You can never say ‘never’ forever,” he said. “For right now, we’re not doing it.”
The Gladiator concept made its debut last year at the North American International Auto Show in Detroit. Its production version was to have a body-on-frame construction like the Jeep Wrangler, the latest version of which began production in July at a $900 million multifactory plant off Stickney Avenue.
Consumers are turning to cars and car-based sport-utility vehicles instead of compact pickups, and that segment is likely where Chrysler wants to concentrate limited financial resources, said Art Spinella, president of CNW Marketing Research Inc. in Bandon, Ore.
“The market for that type of vehicle is really small,” he said.
Mr. Spinella said the Detroit-made Jeep Commander has not sold well, and Chrysler is rethinking the Jeep brand, which is getting two car-based models built in Illinois this year. Still, he said he wishes Chrysler would produce the Gladiator.
Others agreed. Jeep dealers haven’t had a pickup since 1992, when the Toledo-made Comanche ended production, noted Jack Streit, assistant Jeep manager at Yark Automotive Group in Sylvania Township. The dealer is one of the largest nationwide for the Toledo-born brand.
“We are disappointed,” he said. “We did well with that pickup truck.”
Pickups were part of the Jeep lineup for nearly five decades, starting with the Willys in 1947. The original Gladiator was introduced as a 1963 model and was built from the same basic design as the Wagoneer.
A few years ago, Chrysler nixed a pickup version of the last Wrangler that was reminiscent of the Jeep Scrambler made from the mid-1970s to mid-1980s.
Bruce Baumhower, president of United Auto Workers Local 12, said the Gladiator was just one possibility for Toledo Jeep.
“We are constantly looking at additional work, and that’s been in our sights,” he said. “That and others have been in our sights for some time.”
Body-on-frame vehicles are easy to redesign, making the new Wrangler plant an ideal home for police, taxi, or other fleet vehicles too, said Mr. Spinella.
Oct 01, 2006 01:17 AM #7
That's a crying shame :cry:
That thing is gorgeous
That thing is gorgeous
Oct 01, 2006 02:15 AM #8
Gee, I wonder why the commander hasnt sold well?
Lets think, its huge, its an suv, it gets 12mpg and gas costs when it came out was over $3 a gallon
Of course it wouldnt sell well
Lets think, its huge, its an suv, it gets 12mpg and gas costs when it came out was over $3 a gallon
Of course it wouldnt sell well
Oct 03, 2006 02:57 AM #9
To follow the line that Jeep is doing a lot of stupid thing I think the 4 door Jeep "Wrangler" unlimited is one of them. At first I was unsure of this vehicle, weighing both the positive and negative. As I got a little further into my research I came to one conclusion. What the hell is Jeep doing.
When you see a Jeep Wrangler driving down the road or hear someone say thay have a Wrangler you have always thought one thing. That person is an outdoors, 4 wheeling, rockcrawling, camping type person. The reason for this is that the Wrangler has always been the ultimate off road vehicle, which is why it was not offered in a 2 wheel drive.
Regardless if you are a offroad enthusiast or ma and pa pulling it behind your RV heading for the snowy hills, the Wrangler was always the vehicle that can get the job done on and off the asfault.
Im starting to wonder if the designers and marketers for Jeep are conservative women. They have taken mans best offroad vehicle and turned it into a soccer moms grocie getter.
Not only have they added the extra cargo room in the "trunk" area, and added an extra 2 doors for easier access to the back seat. For which you have to extend the wheel base to add each of these. They have taken out the 4.0 liter engine and replaced it with a 3.8. I am assuming they did this for better gas milage. If you care about gas milage dont get a 4 wheel drive vehicle, which brings me to my next point.
Jeep is now offering the 4 door Wrangler Unlimited X, and Sahara in 2 wheel drive. In my opinion this takes away form everything that is a Wrangler. Why dosent Home Depot open a female section and offer pink power tools, this is the message Jeep is sending about everyone who ownes a Wrangler.
Why didnt they just come up with a new name for it, there are a couple of names they already have but are not useing. Like the Hurricane, Gladiator, and the Rescue. Of course if they followed their MO, it never would have made production if they gave it a new name.
I would like to add this to the list of fugliest vehicles, and I just have one thing to say to all the women that are running the Jeep corperation.
You have disgraced the slogan " its a Jeep thing" by now allowing all other manufacturers to use the female version of the Wrangler in their advertising and marketing campainge. You have lowered the bar and put yourself in the competition. I am anxiously awaiting to see what you do next to drive this reputable company into the ground.
When you see a Jeep Wrangler driving down the road or hear someone say thay have a Wrangler you have always thought one thing. That person is an outdoors, 4 wheeling, rockcrawling, camping type person. The reason for this is that the Wrangler has always been the ultimate off road vehicle, which is why it was not offered in a 2 wheel drive.
Regardless if you are a offroad enthusiast or ma and pa pulling it behind your RV heading for the snowy hills, the Wrangler was always the vehicle that can get the job done on and off the asfault.
Im starting to wonder if the designers and marketers for Jeep are conservative women. They have taken mans best offroad vehicle and turned it into a soccer moms grocie getter.
Not only have they added the extra cargo room in the "trunk" area, and added an extra 2 doors for easier access to the back seat. For which you have to extend the wheel base to add each of these. They have taken out the 4.0 liter engine and replaced it with a 3.8. I am assuming they did this for better gas milage. If you care about gas milage dont get a 4 wheel drive vehicle, which brings me to my next point.
Jeep is now offering the 4 door Wrangler Unlimited X, and Sahara in 2 wheel drive. In my opinion this takes away form everything that is a Wrangler. Why dosent Home Depot open a female section and offer pink power tools, this is the message Jeep is sending about everyone who ownes a Wrangler.
Why didnt they just come up with a new name for it, there are a couple of names they already have but are not useing. Like the Hurricane, Gladiator, and the Rescue. Of course if they followed their MO, it never would have made production if they gave it a new name.
I would like to add this to the list of fugliest vehicles, and I just have one thing to say to all the women that are running the Jeep corperation.
You have disgraced the slogan " its a Jeep thing" by now allowing all other manufacturers to use the female version of the Wrangler in their advertising and marketing campainge. You have lowered the bar and put yourself in the competition. I am anxiously awaiting to see what you do next to drive this reputable company into the ground.
Oct 03, 2006 03:15 AM #10
How abot IFS'ing almost all their new vehicles, and killing the solid axle under the latest Grand Cherokee?
Oct 03, 2006 03:44 AM #11
This is the only Liberty I will ever admit to giving a second glance to:
I really had obsessed over the AEV Conversions (http://aev-conversions.com) Brute (pretty much an original Gladiator version that Jeep passed on)
MMMMmmmmm
I really had obsessed over the AEV Conversions (http://aev-conversions.com) Brute (pretty much an original Gladiator version that Jeep passed on)
MMMMmmmmm
Oct 03, 2006 03:46 AM #12
Oh, and by the way, a while back on Ebay, I bought the die-cast versions of the Jeep Rescue and Hurricane they gave out with the auto show press kits.
I think I'll go play with them now
I think I'll go play with them now
Nov 09, 2006 04:57 PM #13
skatchkins wrote:........
But I have to put it into the class with the glorified minivan in a box, Jeep Commander, and the whatever kind of car the Jeep Compass (see Pontiac Vibe) is supposed to.........
By the way, did I say I need a powerful new tow rig this year and have 4 kids so needed seating room. If I tow the Jeep and two quads its 7K#'s. Pickup won't handle the family and the 2004 Armada was spending more time in the shop than i could afford to be without it, lucky had the extended warr. so i always go a loaner. So I traded it in on.......
and it does have
And yes, I have wheeled it and it does good for a full size with low ground clearence. i have the full time 4wd with a 4lo and it has electronic limited slip that fully lock up when needed. It has been wheeled in the Florence junction area as a test and handles great even in the sand. With the Hemi, there is no lack of power either! I can tow the heavy trailer with all 4 quads into areas that the armada would not go with out the trailer and I don't slip and slide and spin tires, it digs in and climbs. Granted it is no rock crawler but I think even you guys would be impressed where this family taxi will go. now I just need to lift it a bit and get better tires!!!
Nov 09, 2006 09:01 PM #14
Im glad that you put that on there. I was just talking with my girlfriend the other day about what kind of vehicle we will get when we have a family. I told her it has to be a 4x4 suv and it will be lifted with tires.
I think it is awesome that your whole family is involved with what you do out doors and off road. My GF loves to go camping and wheeling with me and I know our kids will also (when we get married and have kids)
I think it is awesome that your whole family is involved with what you do out doors and off road. My GF loves to go camping and wheeling with me and I know our kids will also (when we get married and have kids)