lol Bob, I think we would really get along. the reason I don't wheel much with clubs is because everyone in my family has a jeep and I do most of my wheelin with them. but I completely understand your reasoning, alot of trails I used to love have been shut down because of morons. so to prove myself to you I think we should go wheelin together. I have a tj, the rear axel is currently being regeared so I can't go till next week. I am locked front and rear, and I will have a 4.88 gear ratio when I get my rig back. I do have a 35 in the rear so I don't do anything to crazy, but it hasn't gi ven me much issue yet. I am saving for a 44 but it is pretty expensive. I am pretty familiar with the white tanks or table mesa. when would you be available for an early am run preferably table mesa