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HCR2044 Needs to be defeated...
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House Concurrent Resolution (HCR) 2044 needs our help now to get defeated.

After all the work that the OHV community has done on our over the years to what is now HB2573, and the relentless work done to ensure that the funds raised by this will be spent on OHV and only OHV, HCR2044 looks to have the legislators use this to over ride the verbiage set forth in any funded bills for their own use to balance the budget.

I find this insane. They can't balance the budget and want to rob our funds, but why? First, these programs they want to rob, like the cigarette tax, and our OHV bill are self funded, these are not dollars that they ever had to balance the budget, so they never should have counted on them. Yet now they want to take those away to save their own arse? Give me a break. We the people have take votes on things that matter to us, found ways to fund the programs, generated funds for them and now they want to take our hard work and money away, so they can balance their own mistakes.

Just as a side note, they are claiming there will be a $3 billion dollar deficit over the next two years, and that this will correct 2/3 of the issue. Yet the current dollars from these programs is only $600 million, and over 2 years equates to $1.2 billion, which is actually less then half. It is time to make them do their job, earn their money and maintain control over our rights and things we voted for. Again, this will rob all the funds from the bill we need to pass.

Please write your legislators, this has already passed the House and is in the Senate, if it passes there it will be on the ballot, I am pretty sure we will kill it them, but lets not let it get that far, write your Senators now.

Here is an article on the HCR2044:
State hopes to overrule voters on budget
Amanda J. Crawford, The Arizona Republic, on-line version, Apr. 2, 2008 12:00 AM

Staring down a deficit abyss of about $3 billion for this year and next, Arizona lawmakers complain that their efforts to cut spending and balance the budget are stymied by voters.

Health care for the poor. Spending on schools. Money for clean elections and land conservation. Early-education and health programs for kids, funded by tobacco taxes. Major state programs and big bucks - all off-limits because they are protected by voter-approved initiatives.

A measure passed by the House of Representatives would give voters a chance to change that. It would free lawmakers from spending restraints mandated by initiatives whenever the state faces a budget deficit.

If approved by the state Senate, the referendum would go on the November ballot and, if passed, could have a dramatic effect on how the state balances future budgets.

Now, as lawmakers look for spending cuts, more than two-thirds of the state budget is off the table because it is protected by initiative or federal, court or statutory mandates.

Rep. Russell Pearce, R-Mesa, says this means that a huge chunk of budget growth, about $600 million a year, is on "auto-pilot," which makes it difficult for the Legislature to balance the budget during hard economic times. Why shouldn't voter-approved programs share the cuts?

"In bad times, tough decisions have to be made," said Pearce, who sponsored the measure, House Concurrent Resolution 2044.

But opponents say the measure uses current fiscal problems as a smoke screen to mask the real intent: to strip voters of their voice and allow lawmakers to undo or defund programs they don't like.

"I think the voters of Arizona should be extremely alarmed and disappointed," said Karen Woodhouse, deputy director of First Things First, a board created at the ballot box in 2006 to oversee tobacco-tax-funded early-childhood education and health programs. "How could voters have trust in the opportunity to make their voice heard again through the initiative process?"
Direct democracy
In Arizona, the state Constitution protects voters' right to direct democracy, to go around their legislative representatives and create policy at the ballot box.

This right has often been used to pass policy that has gone nowhere year after year in the Legislature.

In 1998, voters sealed their initiative rights with the Voter Protection Act. Born out of frustration with lawmakers' efforts to change laws passed on the ballot, the Voter Protection Act handcuffs lawmakers, requiring a three-fourths vote to make any changes, which must "further the intent" of the voters.

Since then, measures passed by voters have been nearly sacrosanct. They have included big-ticket items such as expanded government health care for the poor and increased spending on education.

Now, growth in those two areas is a major driver of the state budget.

Together, spending on schools and the Arizona Health Care Cost Containment System, which voters expanded in 2000 to cover everyone living under the federal poverty line, account for more than half of the state's general-fund spending.

The entire pot of spending on AHCCCS and schools is not protected, but much of it is.

Pearce complains that what voters have protected are "the giveaway programs, the socialist programs," referring to programs like AHCCCS and First Things First.

He says he fears unprotected areas, like corrections and law enforcement, which he considers to be among the most critical areas of the state budget, will have to bear the brunt of the deficit.

Sen. Bob Burns, R-Peoria, said that as so much of the budget becomes controlled by voter initiative, he wonders if that's really what voters intended.

"We need more flexibility here as a legislative body in order to do our jobs in these types of situations," said Burns, Senate appropriations chairman and a co-sponsor of HCR 2044.
Free rein
Under the measure, lawmakers could divert funds from voter-approved programs or change funding formulas whenever the governor and Legislature agree that the state is facing a budget deficit.

Supporters characterize these as extreme times. But, by Pearce's own count, the state has been facing a deficit in five of the past eight budgets.

Opponents say the measure would give the Legislature nearly free rein to scale back or defund programs that the majority doesn't support.

"I obviously understand we are in a fiscal crisis, but you can't subvert the will of the voters," said Rep. Kyrsten Sinema, D-Phoenix.

She said she believes the measure "takes advantage of the fiscal crisis to go after (programs) they've always wanted to go after."

AHCCCS eligibility could be reduced to only the poorest of the poor. Tobacco taxes that go to health programs or early-childhood education could be diverted to the state's general fund, instead. Funding for schools could be scaled back. Money collected to support publicly financed political campaigns could be swept to help balance the budget.

Sandy Bahr, director of the Grand Canyon Chapter of the Sierra Club, said the whole point of initiatives is to address issues to which the Legislature has been unresponsive. She characterizes the measure as a "power grab."

"I understand why the Legislature wants more power," Bahr said. "The citizen-initiative rights are a check on legislative power."

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Protected funds
Several state programs or funding sources are protected by voter initiative and can't be changed or diverted by lawmakers. HCR 2044, if passed by the Legislature and approved by voters, would allow lawmakers to cut spending or divert money from voter-approved initiatives to help balance the budget when there is a deficit.

Among the programs created and protected by voter initiative that could be affected:

• K-12 funding: must increase for growth and inflation.
• Health care for the poor: All Arizonans living in poverty ($21,200 annual income for a family of four) are eligible for health coverage through the state Medicaid program, the Arizona Health Care Cost Containment System (AHCCCS).
• Tobacco taxes: Millions of dollars collected annually to fund early-childhood development programs, health programs and smoking-ban enforcement.
• Clean Elections: Tax checkoffs, donations and surcharges from fines and penalties fund the Citizens Clean Election Commission. The commission provides campaign money for statewide and legislative candidates, who agree to forego private campaign cash.
• Open Space: The Growing Smarter initiative directs $20 million a year to help communities buy and preserve state trust land.
Proposed changes
House Concurrent Resolution 2044: Upon voter approval, would permit the Legislature to appropriate or divert funds enacted by initiative or referendum in years when the state budget is projected to have a deficit.



Proposition 105. Passed by Arizona voter in 1998, it changed the state Constitution to prohibit the Legislature from repealing any measure approved by voters or changing such a measure without the approval of at least three-fourths of the members of both the House and Senate.

Source: Arizona House of Representatives
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HELP Needed TODAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I heard this is going for a Senate Vote Tomorrow 4/15/2008, how funny that on Tax day they are trying to pass something that will take our self funded programs money away.

Please write your Senators today urging them to vote not on HCR2044.

Above there are notes as to the programs affected, I will also be posting another separate post with an EMAIL outlining additional information.

In case you are not sure who your senator is: http://www.azleg.gov/MemberRoster.asp?Body=S

I have a sample letter below, but please don't use it as a form letter, personal letters carry more weight, so just use it for some ideas and put together your thoughts.

Here is a sample letter that I sent:
Dear Senators, with special regards to Senator Blendu,

In regards to HCR2044 I am unsure how this can even be brought to the floor with the arguments provided. This seems like robbing from the people to correct the errors of those in office. Tell me I am wrong, please.

First you are talking about taking funds from programs that are self funded, that the people found a way to use funds and not take from the general fund to make a difference in our community. This was the people looking at deficits in our state and trying to make a difference. Just looking at the tobacco tax, we are one of the lowest states in the entire United States when it comes to education, and we have been waiting for years for our elected officials, who have it on their platforms each and every election, yet it always seems to be glossed over, or only given a glance and a quick fix that really is not a fix, but enough to say you did something. Those in the education field found a way to fund programs to give our children a jump start and begin to change the current cycle. Now when our elected officials make a mistake, instead of being accountable for their mistakes, instead they want a bill to have year in an year out as a safety net, one that can take those funds away from those programs to bail out themselves and what cost, the cost of our children.

This is a thought that I cannot fathom. I work hard for living, and if for any reason I over spend I have to find a way within my budget to correct things. Which brings a thought to mind, since our elected officials have decided they don’t need to be accountable and work within their means, does this mean we as the public don’t need to either? Does taking funds from other groups who have made the money now become ok? If so can I use the outcome of this vote to take money from where ever I want when I over spend? I would bet not, I would venture to say that if I took money from another group to make my ends meet that a police officer somewhere and the person I took it from would call it stealing and I would end up behind bars. Just because you are doing it with HCR2044 does not make it right nor does it change the fact that it would be stealing. I am sorry but this is an unacceptable solution to a problem you created. You knew what your budget was and should have spent within it.

Of course this HCR2044 does not just apply to the tobacco tax that was passed, you are attacking each and every program that has become self funded by organizations ability to figure out how to create funds from nothing. Yet you want to take the easy road, and claim that 2/3’s of the projected deficit of an estimated $3 billion will be corrected by the estimated $600 million a year taken in by these programs. Wait, can we do the math here, something does not look right. $600 million a year, times 2 is $1.2 Billion. Now 60% of $3 Billion is $1.8 Billion, roughly $600 Million short of 2/3’s, so how exactly is this going to cover the problem, or are you saying that you have a way to creatively come up with the other money not generated by this theft from other programs? Why is it that our elected officials cannot take a page out of those people they represent, that dreamed up a plan and made it happen by finding a way to fund their programs?

In addition, why should those programs designed to help jump start our children’s lives and our futures be taken away, why should those people suffer the consequences and it not be distributed evenly amongst all people of Arizona? I know, can I answer this one for you? Because that would mean a new tax, an increase in our current percentage and we all know that you would rather steal from children rather then tax people, because children don’t vote, but adults do. To coin a phrase, “Man Up”, take ownership of a situation you created a find the right way to do it, not the easy way. Take you lumps, learn from your mistakes and grow to be a better person.

I know I keep harping on the tobacco tax, but it is one of the more recent and higher generators of revenue, and it is all about giving our children a better future. I cannot believe that you as a representative of our people, would be willing to throw children under the bus and rob them of their futures in order to save your own skin. This to me is very cowardly and believe me will be remembered by those who vote and those who have children, grand children, great grandchildren, nieces, nephews, and cousins come the next vote.

Just to let you know that I am aware of more then just the tobacco tax, I am also an avid OHV person, and we currently have a bill SB1167, which is a user fee that the OHV community is asking to be charged to create funds to maintain trails, educate the public on responsible use of the lands with OHV, law enforcement to stop those violating the laws and rules by driving off trail, or people using the lands as their personal dumping grounds. It is very specific on how the funds are to be spent, and that it will not go into the general fund, yet your HCR2044 would possible give you the right to steal our funds to fix your mistakes.

I realize that the measure is only stating that it would be used in years where there is a projected deficit, however giving this safety net to help correct issues, without putting those using it on a leash would be a mistake. Anyone that thinks every year will not have a deficit just to ensure those funds are diverted is misguided. It would soon become part of the budget and those groups would never see a dime of that money again, not to mention having to go one year without it would not only cripple most of those groups and they would become non-existent, wait where would the money then go? Correct me if I am wrong, but wouldn’t that be the “General Fund”? So before you try to argue that is not the case, the first year these programs have to do with out the funds is signing a death warrant to those programs, thus giving the politicians the right to claim those funds for the future, and giving themselves a whole new budget to utilize however they wish.

I urge you to take a stand, to “Man Up (or to be PC Woman Up which ever the case may be)”, find the correct way to fix this, not take away programs that the people of Arizona have fought so hard to make happen in order to make this a better state, a better place to live, recreate and raise children in. To your question about why these should not share in the pain of the situation, simple, they were not part of the equation that caused the problem, they are separate, should be kept separate and should not be stripped to help fix your mistakes. Vote NO on HCR2044.

Regards,
Chris Radoccia
District 12 Voter
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In case you don't want to prepare your own letter, there is a link below that you can generate a form letter:

www.pafcoalition.org


ACTION ALERT – URGE SENATORS TO STOP HCR 2044.


On Tuesday, the Senate Appropriations Committee will consider HCR 2044. This is a House Concurrent Resolution, meaning if it passes both houses, it can be placed on the ballot as a referendum without review by the governor.


· In 1998 voters approved Proposition 105 which prohibits lawmakers from changing, or repealing a voter approved act or expenditure without a three-fourths approval.

· This bill would ENABLE THE LEGISLATURE TO gut many health and human services initiatives including health care for the poor, education support, and early childhood development like most recent use of tobacco tax funding to increase healthcare coverage for low income children and adults and for First Things First (Early Childhood Health Screening and Development).

· HCR2044 (voter-protection; temporary budgetary suspension) would upon voter approval, permit the Legislature to appropriate or divert funds enacted by initiative or referendum in years when the state budget is projected to have a deficit. The last time the Legislature tried to end run popular initiatives, the voters passed the Voter Protection Act (Prop 105) that keeps the Legislature from cutting those programs as they would like to do.



TAKE ACTION – CLICK AND SEND A LETTER TODAY


· Please urge your state senators to vote against HCR 2044. Click on the link below, fill in the blanks and a letter will be sent directly to your Senator urging them to vote against HCR 2044. You can personalize the letter too. http://capwiz.com/socialworkers/az/i...ertid=11236306


· REQUEST TO SPEAK SYSTEM - OR GO TO THE Arizona Legislature Information System and fill out a request to speak slip against this measure in committee:


· Make sure it does not pass on the Senate Floor. Write, call, and e-mail your state senators and let them know how you feel


· TAKE ACTION – CLICK AND SEND A LETTER TODAY

· Please urge your state senators to vote against HCR 2044. Click on the link below, fill in the blanks and a letter will be sent directly to your Senator urging them to vote against HCR 2044. You can personalize the letter too. http://capwiz.com/socialworkers/az/i...ertid=11236306


· REQUEST TO SPEAK SYSTEM - OR GO TO THE Arizona Legislature Information System and fill out a request to speak slip against this measure in committee
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The form letter link doesn't work.
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Sorry, I was just cutting and pasting from an email...

Try this one: http://capwiz.com/socialworkers/az/issues/alert/?alertid=11237021
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thanks, just sent the letter
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Thanks and done.
Sent to Robert L. Burns (R-AZ 9th)