Huckabee: Let’s amend the Constitution to bring it in line with “God’s standards”

Watch this video of a speech by huckabee

http://services.redlasso.com/svc/clip/playClip?fid=3c8bb132-a820-4f6c-95c3-3cf9c976f4f9


thoughts?

Good for him.

It'll never, EVER happen... and opening the door to ammending the consitution is a very, VERY dangerous route to take. Even with the best intentions, it can be a Pandora's Box (that the Bilderbaders have been trying to open for YEARS... but of course, as a Ron Paul supporter you know all about that master plan... just kidding - it's fun taking shots).

Gotta love Mike. Sometimes naivety can be refreshing... impractical, but refreshing...

Did you see Huck on the Colbert Report last night?

Pretty funny stuff.

LINK HERE

at least now we know who is running mate is going to be...

alanzona wrote:Did you see Huck on the Colbert Report last night?

Pretty funny stuff.

LINK HERE

at least now we know who is running mate is going to be...

yah, huckabee seems like a pretty funny guy, he has alot of good one liners when hes interviewed

I think that is one reason why he is popular, people like his speaking style and can relate to him through it

With out the entire conversation, this is all being looked at out of context and I am sorry, but if I dig around and just take little snipits of things you say, I can make people believe anything I want about you

Thats the same way Calvinists try and prove their points

AZLugz wrote:With out the entire conversation, this is all being looked at out of context and I am sorry, but if I dig around and just take little snipits of things you say, I can make people believe anything I want about you

Thats the same way Calvinists try and prove their points

I agree, its hard to understand his point when we do not have the whole context of the speech (reminds me of a certain newsletter issue)

But I am a little leary of Huckabee, I am afraid he will base his decisions on his Christian beliefs rather then following what is in the constitution

offroadaz wrote:I agree, its hard to understand his point when we do not have the whole context of the speech (reminds me of a certain newsletter issue)

But I am a little leary of Huckabee, I am afraid he will base his decisions on his Christian beliefs rather then following what is in the constitution

Do you have any of his past government decisions made in this way to back up this believe, or just purely speculation?

AZLugz wrote:Do you have any of his past government decisions made in this way to back up this believe, or just purely speculation?

Alot is speculation based on the way he makes promises at evangelical rallys and churches. Part is based on his record as govenor. Take for example his tendancy to pardon criminals based on the word of a pastor or the criminals claim to have became a Christian while in prison.

Here is an interesting quote from Arkansas prosecutor Robert Herzfeld

"It seems to be true at least anecdotally that if a minister is involved, (Huckabee) seems likely to grant clemency,"

Huckabee claims that his belief in Christian redemption was the motivating factor in his decisions to release brutal rapists and murderers from prison.

Huckabee had twice as many pardons as his three predecessors combined. Huckabee granted 1,033 pardons and commutations in his 10 1/2 years as governor of Arkansas. Huckabee issued more commutations and pardons than all of the six neighboring states combined. Those states include Texas, which has more than 8 times the population of Arkansas.


Some of his other pardons had interesting ties to him or his staff too

James Maxwell, who killed a pastor of the Church of God in Arkansas. Maxwell worked at the Governor's Mansion when Huckabee announced his intent to reduce his prison sentence.

_Samuel W. Taylor, convicted on a drug charge. A prosecutor said the man had told him Taylor's sister had gone to school with Huckabee. Huckabee said the sister didn't influence the decision. Taylor subsequently was arrested on another drug charge.

_Donald W. Clark, convicted of theft. Huckabee's pastor recommended leniency for Clark, whose stepmother worked on Huckabee's gubernatorial staff.

_Robert A. Arnold Jr., who was convicted of killing his father-in-law. Arnold's father, a former mayor of Hope, Huckabee's hometown, said he was a casual friend of the governor.

_A pastor who promoted Huckabee among blacks urged the governor to grant clemency to John Henry Claiborne, who was sentenced to 100 years for a 1994 armed robbery, according to a 2004 report in the Arkansas Democrat-Gazette. Huckabee made Claiborne eligible for parole after receiving a letter from the Rev. Charles Williams, who told the newspaper he had helped win "many, many" clemencies from Huckabee.

_Denver Witham, convicted of beating a man to death with a lead pipe at bar, had his sentence commuted by Huckabee. The action drew the ire of prosecutors who speculated that Huckabee's act of clemency was related to Witham, who was lead singer in a prison band, being a fellow musician.


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now THAT's funny.

"Hey! I think that guys sings in a band... I play bass... let's let him free!!!" Get real. LOL

On a side note, if I had any position of authority, I would certain look to people i know and people i trust to fill key roles around me. I think I'll run and make you my Secretary of State. Chris! Then you can go bring back all the boys from the "un-needed" military bases around the world... you know if we took those away, how in the heck would we be able to recruit young men and promise them that they'll "see the world"... don't mess with good advertising, man. It's bad Karma.

offroadaz wrote:But I am a little leary of Huckabee, I am afraid he will base his decisions on his Christian beliefs rather then following what is in the constitution

Good thing I'm not president. I tend to base my decisions on my Christion beliefs, rather than folloiwng what is in the consitution... I love the constituion. It, along with the grace of God, allows me free worship, free speach, and a free press... but when it comes to my deicision, the Word of God is my first guidance. Abortion is legal. I don't base my decision on a document. Gambling is legal. I don't base my decision based on a document (actually, in the gambling case I base my decision on the fact that I'm really, really bad at it and I lose money...)

Case being, I'm OK with Huckabee making decisions based on his Christion beliefs. I actually like that. I also like the beauty of the democracy we live in. If the majority disagree, then it doesn't happen! God Bless each person having a voice.

alanzona wrote:Good thing I'm not president. I tend to base my decisions on my Christion beliefs, rather than folloiwng what is in the consitution... I love the constituion. It, along with the grace of God, allows me free worship, free speach, and a free press... but when it comes to my deicision, the Word of God is my first guidance. Abortion is legal. I don't base my decision on a document. Gambling is legal. I don't base my decision based on a document (actually, in the gambling case I base my decision on the fact that I'm really, really bad at it and I lose money...)

Case being, I'm OK with Huckabee making decisions based on his Christion beliefs. I actually like that. I also like the beauty of the democracy we live in. If the majority disagree, then it doesn't happen! God Bless each person having a voice.

Lets look at this closer though. First lets look at Romans 13:1-7

1Everyone must submit himself to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. 2Consequently, he who rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves. 3For rulers hold no terror for those who do right, but for those who do wrong. Do you want to be free from fear of the one in authority? Then do what is right and he will commend you. 4For he is God's servant to do you good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword for nothing. He is God's servant, an agent of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer. 5Therefore, it is necessary to submit to the authorities, not only because of possible punishment but also because of conscience. 6This is also why you pay taxes, for the authorities are God's servants, who give their full time to governing. 7Give everyone what you owe him: If you owe taxes, pay taxes; if revenue, then revenue; if respect, then respect; if honor, then honor.

That verse pretty clearly states that individuals should submit to governing authorities because they are ordained by God. In this case, the governing authority of the President would be the constitution.

Another example from 1 Peter 2:13-18

13Submit yourselves for the Lord's sake to every authority instituted among men: whether to the king, as the supreme authority, 14or to governors, who are sent by him to punish those who do wrong and to commend those who do right. 15For it is God's will that by doing good you should silence the ignorant talk of foolish men. 16Live as free men, but do not use your freedom as a cover-up for evil; live as servants of God. 17Show proper respect to everyone: Love the brotherhood of believers, fear God, honor the king.

18Slaves, submit yourselves to your masters with all respect, not only to those who are good and considerate, but also to those who are harsh

Again this clearly says that you should submit to the authority instituted by men. Again the president should submit to the authority of the constitution.

Romans 13:5 also has a simmilar message of submitting to authority

5Therefore, it is necessary to submit to the authorities, not only because of possible punishment but also because of conscience.

offroadaz wrote:Lets look at this closer though. First lets look at Romans 13:1-7


That verse pretty clearly states that individuals should submit to governing authorities because they are ordained by God. In this case, the governing authority of the President would be the constitution.

Another example from 1 Peter 2:13-18


Again this clearly says that you should submit to the authority instituted by men. Again the president should submit to the authority of the constitution.

Romans 13:5 also has a simmilar message of submitting to authority

Which is exactly why I submit to the authority of the government. I didn't vote for Bush, but when he was elected, he deserved my obedience due to the office he serves. New we get a change to pick again. I would like to pick a man who follows what he believes is right, and as this thread started out... even mention changing the consitution, if necessary to reflect that. Do you think that basing your decisions on God's word is in direct competition with the consitution? Do you think that if he did that, the courts would allow it if it was unconsitutional? Come on, dude... you're smart.

... and I can't believe I let you suck me into this...}:(

alanzona wrote: Do you think that basing your decisions on God's word is in direct competition with the consitution? Do you think that if he did that, the courts would allow it if it was unconsitutional?

Yes and no :)g)

I do not have a problem with a leader consulting the Bible or praying for guidance and wisdom

However when that leader makes his decisions and implements them based on the Bible without following the rule of law then their is a big problem.

alanzona wrote:... and I can't believe I let you suck me into this...}:(

hah :)=)

Romans and all the other "obeying the government" have no bearance on who we vote for or their beliefs. Now you're getting into- say you live in WWII and you have a Jew in your closet. The SS knocks on the door and asks you if you have a Jew hanging out in your residence. If so, give 'em up if you do so we can kill him.
You going with the govt on this one?

alanzona wrote:Good thing I'm not president. I tend to base my decisions on my Christion beliefs, rather than folloiwng what is in the consitution... I love the constituion. It, along with the grace of God, allows me free worship, free speach, and a free press... but when it comes to my deicision, the Word of God is my first guidance. Abortion is legal. I don't base my decision on a document. Gambling is legal. I don't base my decision based on a document (actually, in the gambling case I base my decision on the fact that I'm really, really bad at it and I lose money...)

Case being, I'm OK with Huckabee making decisions based on his Christion beliefs. I actually like that. I also like the beauty of the democracy we live in. If the majority disagree, then it doesn't happen! God Bless each person having a voice.

Amen

skatchkins wrote:Romans and all the other "obeying the government" have no bearance on who we vote for or their beliefs.

I agree

skatchkins wrote:Now you're getting into- say you live in WWII and you have a Jew in your closet. The SS knocks on the door and asks you if you have a Jew hanging out in your residence. If so, give 'em up if you do so we can kill him.
You going with the govt on this one?

No, I wont go with the government on this one. Ill go with what the Bible teaches by example in Acts 5:29

29Peter and the other apostles replied: "We must obey God rather than men!

In this case it is more important to stop the government from their action which is a sin then following their rule.

I would look at it this way, if the government or leader is telling you to do something morally wrong then you should disobey. If not, then you should follow

I base my argument against Rong Paul's "let someone else decide" stance on the abortion issue on what you just stated.

skatchkins wrote:I base my argument against Rong Paul's "let someone else decide" stance on the abortion issue on what you just stated.

Paul is against abortion and strongly pro-life

He is the primary sponsor of HR 300, which would negate the effect of Roe v Wade by removing the ability of federal courts to interfere with state legislation to protect life.

He believes life begins at conception and is about as pro-life as you can get.
http://www.ronpaul2008.com/issues/life-and-liberty/

other writings on abortion
http://www.ronpaul2008.com/articles/86/respect-for-life-begins-with-respect-for-the-constitutional-rule-of-law/

http://www.ronpaul2008.com/articles/81/pro-life-action-must-originate-from-principle/